{"id":14,"date":"2007-11-19T12:17:40","date_gmt":"2007-11-19T18:17:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.goodjobsucking.com\/?p=14"},"modified":"2008-05-19T07:47:38","modified_gmt":"2008-05-19T13:47:38","slug":"oh-how-i-loathe-thee-billing-dispute-department","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.goodjobsucking.com\/?p=14","title":{"rendered":"Oh how I loathe thee, Billing Dispute Department"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s unusual for me to see charges I don&#8217;t recognize on my credit card bill, and even then, it&#8217;s usually something my wife bought &#8212; or that I bought and the vendor name shows up as something unusual.  Therefore, when I saw a charge I didn&#8217;t recognize from &#8220;Silicon Solar,&#8221; I took the step of actually calling Silicon Solar, to see if, in fact, I&#8217;d ordered anything or if they did business under another name.<\/p>\n<p>Silicon Solar had no orders or history under my name, or anything remotely like it, so I filled out the paperwork to register a billing dispute with Washington Mutual.  You can&#8217;t just tell them about it, you have to fill out a form &#8212; one that you have to call and have mailed to you.  A pain in the butt, but it&#8217;s an acceptable level of bureaucracy.   Washington Mutual issued a &#8220;temporary credit&#8221; that appeared on my next bill.<\/p>\n<p>While I was in Canada, a letter came in that the merchant had responded, and they wanted &#8220;more information&#8221; from me.  I called them &#8212; in an of itself a feat, because they provided an 800- number only reachable from the U.S., and declined to give any other way of reaching them &#8212; like a regular phone number, fax, etc.  The letter didn&#8217;t say much else other than &#8220;call us!&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The representative on the phone said the merchant had responded, and that they needed more information from me.  &#8220;What did they respond?&#8221; I asked.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;We don&#8217;t have access to that, we&#8217;ll mail it to you,&#8221; said the representative.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Well, what exactly do you want me to do?&#8221; I asked.  &#8220;Nothing has changed, and I have no new information.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Nothing,&#8221; said the representative.  &#8220;You&#8217;ll receive the merchant&#8217;s response from us, along with a questionnaire to fill out.  Send that back.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Fine,&#8221; I said.<\/p>\n<p>The next thing I receive is a letter from Washington Mutual with the Silicon Solars&#8217; response.  This is alone galling:   it&#8217;s a printout from DHL of a box being delivered to Venezuela, and a print out of an order by some guy named Javier Toyo, along with his address in Venezuela.  A cover page by Silicon Solar is attached, that says &#8220;the cardholder ordered, paid for, and received all merchandise as they&#8217;ve requested without any indication of a problem.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Obviously I take issue with the word &#8220;cardholder&#8221; in the above.<\/p>\n<p>Worse, the cover letter from Washington Mutual says &#8220;We conducted an investigation of this charge based on the information available to us and concluded that we are unable to pursue this dispute further on your behalf.&#8221;  <em>What?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It goes on, &#8220;We have not received a response from you as previously requested.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><em>What?<\/em> Apparently calling them wasn&#8217;t good enough.  Which is strange, because that&#8217;s all the previous letter asked me to do &#8212; and I did.  And, when I asked specifically if there&#8217;s anything else I should do or send, I was told, no, wait for the merchant&#8217;s response.<\/p>\n<p>I called right away, but since it&#8217;s a Saturday, the billing dispute department wasn&#8217;t open, so I talked to the fraud department.  Fraud fits the bill anyway, since I assume that somebody making unauthorized charges to my account is, in fact, fraud.  They can&#8217;t help, since &#8220;it was originally entered as a billing dispute.&#8221;  Huh?  This implies that when you see an unauthorized charge on your account, you should somehow know that it&#8217;s fraudulent &#8212; or that you shouldn&#8217;t dispute it?  Beats me, it makes no damned sense, but I also make no headway.  The fraud department refuses to reverse the charge &#8212; and, strangely, also refuses to cancel my card.  Yes, that seems utterly bizarre; I suspect whoever was on the phone just gave up and started lying to me.<\/p>\n<p>Monday rolls around, and I talk to somebody from the actual Billing Dispute Department.  As they are trained to be, they&#8217;re pleasant, but completely powerless to actually do anything.  Apparently there&#8217;s some kind of rule written in stone that says that <em>a customer may not, under and circumstances, talk to anybody actually capable of dealing with anything<\/em>.  That power is in the hands of a select few, who are not directly reachable under any circumstances.  The best I can get is a voice mail box.<\/p>\n<p>I try a couple more times &#8212; in retrospect, I probably shouldn&#8217;t have bothered, but I&#8217;m not happy at all with the response &#8212; or, more accurately, lack thereof.  None of the first line wankages can do anything but tell me they understand my frustration, and reiterate the point that they&#8217;re not capable of doing anything.<\/p>\n<p>On the plus side, calling them up and being a major pain in the ass does seem to have finally paid off in that the manager called, probably much, much sooner than the 24-48 hours I was told I would have to wait.  It&#8217;s worth pointing out that there&#8217;s a huge difference between being a <em>pain in the ass<\/em>,  where you calmly restate your case and refuse to take &#8220;no&#8221; for an answer, and being an <em>abusive jerk<\/em>, where you yell or insult the poor people answering the phone.  For the most part, it&#8217;s not their fault, even though most need a great deal of persuasion to walk off their scripts and actually try to <em>do<\/em> something.  I know enough about support and customer service organizations to know that the front lines is a dismal place to be, and that manager&#8217;s aren&#8217;t available at a moment&#8217;s notice to take the call of every whining bastard who doesn&#8217;t like the answer he&#8217;s given &#8212; and if your case truly does require a higher standard of care and attention, it&#8217;s hard to make the point.<\/p>\n<p>At any rate, the manager finally did call back, and upon her review, she decided to issue a &#8220;courtesy credit.&#8221;  Essentially, they can&#8217;t charge the merchant back (which would have been the <em>right<\/em> thing to do) because they let too much time lapse.  Washington Mutual clearly screwed up by not providing me a form or some kind of response, since they fall under Visa&#8217;s chargeback rules, and without a response had to take Silicon Solar&#8217;s response at its ludicrous face value.  So, Washington Mutual can&#8217;t get their money back from Silicon Solar, and they&#8217;re certainly not getting any money from me for this debacle.<\/p>\n<p>Today&#8217;s cost of bureaucracy and incompetence:     $99.30.  But let&#8217;s look at the scorecard:<\/p>\n<p><strong>Washington Mutual:  LOSS<\/strong> &#8212; Out $99.30 and a customer.  I don&#8217;t trust a bank who lets  merchants get away without, oh, the card number or name or anything matching the actual transaction.  It&#8217;s just begging for something worse to happen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Silicon Solar:  WIN<\/strong> &#8212; Although I may never order anything from them, they got a paid order and a happy customer in Venezuela, despite apparently sloppy verification procedures.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Javier Toyo:  WIN<\/strong> &#8212; Free stuff shipped to Venezuela?  Oh hell yes, it&#8217;s a good day.  God knows where he got my credit card number, his obviously false name isn&#8217;t as obvious outside of Venezeula.  Due to idiocy all around, his chances of getting caught are approximately zero.  It sure explains a few things about losses in the credit industry.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Me:  DRAW<\/strong> &#8212;  At the end of the day, I&#8217;m not out money for stuff I didn&#8217;t order, which is neutral at best.  <em>I<\/em> don&#8217;t have to adhere to Visa&#8217;s rules, and I retain the option to just&#8230;  not pay Washington Mutual, which I would certainly do if not for the &#8220;courtesy credit.&#8221;  This courtesy keeps them out of the courts, I suppose, but I&#8217;m not under any illusion that they&#8217;re doing me a favor, and I spent several hours on this crap that I never should have had to.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>It&#8217;s unusual for me to see charges I don&#8217;t recognize on my credit card bill, and even then, it&#8217;s usually something my wife bought &#8212; or that I bought and the vendor name shows up as something unusual. 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